XIP-0002 - Community Moderator Compensation Proposal

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XIP-0002 - Community Moderator Compensation Proposal

Introduction

As the Xandeum project continues to grow and evolve, we
recognize the invaluable contributions of our volunteer Discord community
moderators in ensuring the smooth operation of our community and supporting our mission. From responding to user inquiries to enforcing community guidelines and maintaining the integrity of our discussions, these individuals have demonstrated exceptional dedication, expertise, and a commitment to upholding the principles of Xandeum.

In this proposal, we aim to formally recognize and reward
their efforts by introducing a compensation program for our top-performing
community moderators. This initiative will not only acknowledge their hard work
but also serve as an incentive to continue their involvement in shaping the
future of Xandeum.

The Role of Community Moderators

Community moderators play a crucial role in maintaining the health and stability of our Discord server. Their responsibilities include, but are not limited to:

  • Responding promptly to user inquiries and resolving issues
  • Enforcing community guidelines and moderation policies
  • Issuing kicks and bans as necessary to maintain a positive and respectful environment
  • Providing guidance and support to new users and members
  • Participating in discussions and contributing to the growth of our community

These tasks require a high level of dedication, attention to detail, and emotional intelligence. Our community moderators have demonstrated
exceptional skill in balancing the needs of various stakeholders while
promoting a culture of inclusivity, respect, and open communication.

Current Compensation

At present, our community moderators do not receive any
formal compensation for their efforts. However, this proposal aims to introduce a new incentive structure that recognizes their contributions and provides a tangible reward for their hard work.

The proposed compensation plan offers 40,000 XAND tokens per
month to up to 5, well performing community moderators, as determined by the DAO. This amount represents a significant bonus, considering the current price of XAND tokens, which would translate to approximately $300 per month for each moderator.

Rationale

While some members of our community may feel that 40,000
XAND tokens is insufficient, we believe this amount reflects the value and
importance of their contributions. We recognize that this compensation plan
serves as a bonus, not a requirement, and that our moderators are motivated by the sense of purpose and fulfillment and future growth that comes from supporting the Xandeum project.

Token Distribution

The proposed token distribution will be as follows:

  • 40,000 XAND tokens per month for each of the 5 community moderators (or more if determined by the DAO if the need is there)
  • Total monthly mod group compensation: 200,000 XAND tokens initially
  • Token amount locked in individual DAO vote accounts for 12 months to ensure long-term sustainability
  • The first distribution period will cover January 2025 and will be paid in February 2025 if passed by the community as written

Eligibility Criteria
To be eligible for this compensation program, community
moderators must meet the following criteria:

  • Be actively engaged with our Discord server and contribute to discussions
  • Demonstrate exceptional moderation skills, including prompt response times and effective issue resolution
  • Uphold the principles of Xandeum and adhere to community guidelines
  • Participate in community events and activities
  • Provide basic KYC info to the Foundation or its delegates.
  • Initial Mods will be (as known in Discord as): Mikl, NeoBubba, Substance242, tupacalypse187, and Zedok

Adding / Removing a Mod

A DAO vote will be proposed either by the Council on behalf of the foundation or by a community member or delegate pack, to either nominate a new Mod or remove a Mod. Any mod can stop being a mod by dropping the Mod role or by requesting to be removed. Xandeum DAO Security Council has the authority to request the removal of a moderator for any reason. Additionally, A moderator may be removed if deemed inactive over any two-week period by Xandeum Discord admins.

Implementation Plan

To implement this proposal, we propose the following feedback required by the DAO:

  1. Establish if there needs to be a criteria for evaluating community moderator performance or not
  2. Determine if 5 community moderators met the needs of the DAO and Discord community each month, or if more or less are required
  3. Lock 40,000 XAND tokens into the DAO per month for each
    selected moderator

Conclusion
The compensation proposal outlined in this XIP-0002 aims to
recognize and reward the dedication and expertise of our volunteer Discord
community moderators. By providing a tangible incentive structure, we hope to
motivate these individuals to continue contributing to the growth and success
of the Xandeum project.

We believe that this proposal strikes a balance between
acknowledging their hard work and ensuring the long-term sustainability of our community. We look forward to discussing this proposal with the DAO and
implementing it in a way that benefits both our moderators and the wider
Xandeum community.

Next Steps

We propose that this proposal be put to a vote in the DAO
and that all members have the opportunity to provide feedback and input before a final decision is made.

By working together, we can create a more inclusive and
rewarding environment for our community moderators, while promoting the growth and success of the Xandeum project as a whole.

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XIP-0002 - Community Moderator Compensation Proposal

Introduction

As the Xandeum project continues to grow and evolve, we
recognize the invaluable contributions of our volunteer Discord community
moderators in ensuring the smooth operation of our community and supporting our mission. From responding to user inquiries to enforcing community guidelines and maintaining the integrity of our discussions, these individuals have demonstrated exceptional dedication, expertise, and a commitment to upholding the principles of Xandeum.

In this proposal, we aim to formally recognize and reward
their efforts by introducing a compensation program for our top-performing
community moderators. This initiative will not only acknowledge their hard work
but also serve as an incentive to continue their involvement in shaping the
future of Xandeum.

The Role of Community Moderators

Community moderators play a crucial role in maintaining the health and stability of our Discord server. Their responsibilities include, but are not limited to:

  • Responding promptly to user inquiries and resolving issues

  • Enforcing community guidelines and moderation policies

  • Issuing kicks and bans as necessary to maintain a positive and respectful environment

  • Providing guidance and support to new users and members

  • Participating in discussions and contributing to the growth of our community

These tasks require a high level of dedication, attention to detail, and emotional intelligence. Our community moderators have demonstrated
exceptional skill in balancing the needs of various stakeholders while
promoting a culture of inclusivity, respect, and open communication.

Current Compensation

At present, our community moderators do not receive any
formal compensation for their efforts. However, this proposal aims to introduce a new incentive structure that recognizes their contributions and provides a tangible reward for their hard work.

The proposed compensation plan offers 40,000 XAND tokens per
month to up to 5, well performing community moderators, as determined by the DAO. This amount represents a significant bonus, considering the current price of XAND tokens, which would translate to approximately $300 per month for each moderator.

Rationale

While some members of our community may feel that 40,000
XAND tokens is insufficient, we believe this amount reflects the value and
importance of their contributions. We recognize that this compensation plan
serves as a bonus, not a requirement, and that our moderators are motivated by the sense of purpose and fulfillment and future growth that comes from supporting the Xandeum project.

Token Distribution

The proposed token distribution will be as follows:

  • 40,000 XAND tokens per month for each of the 5 community moderators (or more if determined by the DAO if the need is there)

  • Total monthly mod group compensation: 200,000 XAND tokens initially

  • Token amount locked in individual DAO vote accounts for 12 months to ensure long-term sustainability

Eligibility Criteria
To be eligible for this compensation program, community
moderators must meet the following criteria:

  • Be actively engaged with our Discord server and contribute to discussions

  • Demonstrate exceptional moderation skills, including prompt response times and effective issue resolution

  • Uphold the principles of Xandeum and adhere to community guidelines

  • Participate in community events and activities

Adding / Removing a Mod

A DAO vote will be proposed either by the Council on behalf of the foundation or by a community member or delegate pack, to either nominate a new Mod or remove a Mod. Any mod can stop being a mod by dropping the Mod role or by requesting to be removed.

Implementation Plan

To implement this proposal, we propose the following feedback required by the DAO:

  1. Establish if there needs to be a criteria for evaluating community moderator performance or not
  2. Determine if 5 community moderators met the needs of the DAO and Discord community each month, or if more or less are required
  3. Lock 40,000 XAND tokens into the DAO per month for each
    selected moderator

Conclusion
The compensation proposal outlined in this XIP-0002 aims to
recognize and reward the dedication and expertise of our volunteer Discord
community moderators. By providing a tangible incentive structure, we hope to
motivate these individuals to continue contributing to the growth and success
of the Xandeum project.

We believe that this proposal strikes a balance between
acknowledging their hard work and ensuring the long-term sustainability of our community. We look forward to discussing this proposal with the DAO and
implementing it in a way that benefits both our moderators and the wider
Xandeum community.

Next Steps

We propose that this proposal be put to a vote in the DAO
and that all members have the opportunity to provide feedback and input before a final decision is made.

By working together, we can create a more inclusive and
rewarding environment for our community moderators, while promoting the growth and success of the Xandeum project as a whole.

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40K XAND falls short of the contribution the current moderators provide and for the duration of their efforts. They filled a critical gap where Xandeum was not prepared to support and has continued to fill that gap.

Modify to read as follows —

  • One time payment of 400,000 XAND payable in its entirety immediate without cool off period.
  • 100,000 XAND tokens without cool off period, payable monthly and shall not exceeed a combined total of 5-months (eg. 5 total payments of 100,000 XAND).

This modification recognizes that labor and contributions to this project are not free, especially by those who provide significant value to the project.

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Should read 5 total payments of 100,000 XAND each (500,000 total).

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I would like to challenge this by asking if the founder (owner) and employees are motivated by the sense of purpose and fulfillment and future growth that comes from supporting the Xandeum project…and would be willing to receive 40K XAND bonus under these terms for moderating their own server beyond their normal working hours on a voluntary basis?

The reason why some community members feel 40K XAND is insufficient is because Xandeum values —

  • Redeem Referral Code – 5,000 points (@60% 3K XAND)
  • Like, Comment, and Watch a YT Video – 500 points (@60% 500 XAND)
  • etc…etc…

Things that take only a few seconds to do and can be scripted to complete. The value of the airdrops were so high, members easily reached 1M points (600K XAND at 60%) for not making a meaningful impact toward the effort.

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The airdrops are not and will not be the basis of everything going forward. That is a baseless comparison. Any and all of the community and the mods were also eligible for those airdrops and the future ones. There is no reason we should be extrapolating anything from them. This is in addition to all the airdrops not replacing it…

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Really? Xandeum assessed a value for those items so why can’t we use them as a method to determine the value of anything else? A domain name (for example) was at one time assessed a value of 25K XAND (~$145 USD today).

Frankly, I understand your rationale, but just beacuse it is not convient, you cannot waive away data. You set a value for an action that action can be directly tied to a time value…and time has value. These community members have given of their time and it should be recognized as such. I mean, let’s be serious here.

400K XAND is about $2K USD. They have been at it for ~2-months now (8-weeks). That’s $250 a week that these folks have contributed between 6 and 12 hours a week. Xandeum would have received a fair exchange for their labor. You know, onboarding users. Helping them with their wallets. Pointing them to documentation and correct information. Helping them open tickets. Protecting them from scammers (fast). So on and so forth. That is between $20 USD/hr and
$42 USD/hr which is really reasonable for the support they provided.

Your number of 40K XAND basically says their time was worth something between $2.42 USD/hr and $4.8 USD/hr.

I do not think that is the message any of us would want to send for such a valuable service that Xandeum is not quite capable of fulfilling itself.

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I have a counter way you can look at this too if my feedback is falling flat.

Community Building has a budgeted 401,500,000 XAND (~$2.3M). You are arguing over the value of critical community building that has is…

  • Initial Payment — 5 Moderators – 2,000,000 XAND ($11,600)
  • 5-months of Payments – 5 Moderators – 2,500,000 XAND ($14,500) at today’s value. Hard to assess if that would be more or less in the future given our current state of affairs. I would argue in the next six months, it would a challenge to say that the current value does not remain about where it is at given past performance.

The grand total – $26,100 USD at today’s value.

Total Budget hit – 401,500,000 - 4,500,000 = 397,000,000 XAND.

Are we really trying nickle and dime valuable contributions to the project at critical junctures that only cost Xandeum ~$26K. Do you really value their community building efforts only $7K?

The DAO has $7.4M dollars in its wallets. Come on. This group of moderators arguably had the least amount of token in their wallets compared to some of the others you could have chosen and they stepped up to the plate with moderating. They stepped up to the plate and participated in every offering you provided. They worked hard to make sure the launch went as successful as possible. They championed everything you put out even if they disagreed with it.

They have earned it.

If you don’t like the 5-month plan, put some performance metrics they must be met behind it and then you can hold moderators accountable from that point forward.

Personally, I would have just paid them the 1x gift of 400K XAND, but since you tipped your hand as to the duration you were going to need their support, it helps calculate the long term value.

While I am looking at this stuff, we probably want to look at the losses to early node owners who are no longer able to amoritize the node liceses they purchased against the value of node license generating constant value until they were required to run one. As we still do not have nodes to run and cannot recapture that value through node operations until then, those token rewards probably should not have ceased…but that can be saved for another time and another DAO proposal that I am slowly accumulating to be able to submit…

That is unless that 5M XAND barrier does not get lifted even higher.

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BTW, if US Tax Code is what you are following, advertising and promotion which community developmen is arguably that — 100% deductable.

Just saying.

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Hello everyone, first post here.

As a (temporary) chat mod, after careful read of the proposal plus very good comments, from my humble point of view this proposal is acceptable.

On the other side, perhaps validators “deserve” more, and airdrop less, but that’s another topic.

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  1. [7:08 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Forwarded

@everyone XIP-0002 - Community Moderator Compensation Proposal Has been posted prior to submitting as a DAO proposal for discussion sake. Please use the forum for discussion, as we will add to searchability and have better record keeping there.forum.xandeum.network/t/xip-0002-community-moderator-compensation-proposa/151

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  1. [7:08 PM]John | WAGISDev:

I already put my 2-cents in. Moderators, this is also something you should consider weighing in on as this is now being looked at for a long term effort. You know what your time is worth. Speak up.

January 11, 2025

  1. [8:20 AM]John | WAGISDev:

@Substance242 …what did you think?

  1. @John | WAGISDev

@Substance242 …what did you think?

[9:49 AM]Substance242:

I did read it all, and I think the proposal is OK.

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  1. [9:50 AM]John | WAGISDev:

Perfect…just wanted to make sure you didn’t miss it

  1. [1:18 PM]TSBP:

There is discussion in that DAO proposal about people who are already identified as moderators who have been doing the job for 2+ months or so now. Who are they now and when did that happen? I don’t recall seeing any announcement in the recent past about this issue…Team Xand officially needs moderator assistance, interested parties go apply at #channel, you’ll given ABC/XYZ privileges and authorities within the Xandeum Discord forum, screening/hiring process defined, etc. The only individual I can guess/assume is one of these selected moderators is NeoBubba because he is always talking about ban-hammering people out of the Discord.

  1. [1:54 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Anyone with red in their name title.

  1. [1:54 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Obviously…not me.

  1. [1:55 PM]mrhcon:

There are 5. Neo, Substance, Zedok, Mikl and another whose handle I don’t remember (edited)

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  1. [2:04 PM]John | WAGISDev:

I’m blanking too.

  1. [2:04 PM]John | WAGISDev:

I did the count last night to check and had 5.

  1. [2:05 PM]John | WAGISDev:

There wasn’t any official request made either. Xandeum just reached out to people who were active and who they felt they can trust.

  1. [2:10 PM]TSBP:

Gotchya. Thanks for the insight on the current crop of moderators. I wasn’t clear from the new DAO proposal discussion how new moderators would be selected…if the same current ones would automatically be selected or if there would be nominations and a vote, etc.

  1. [2:16 PM]Substance242:

Fun fact: I can’t find the 5th name neither. :slight_smile: But hidden moderator chat started 10/31/2024, few people were asked to temporarily help with increased traffic. As for me, I am not assuming I am given this role officially, perhaps there will be DAO voting and I will send million XAND for each vote. (joke) :slight_smile:

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  1. [2:57 PM]mrhcon:

Last one was tupacalypse187.

  1. [3:03 PM]John | WAGISDev:

There ya go!!! I was looking for my notes and found the 4 and the one I thought was it but then found out that there is a secret role called Beta Tester out there that some folks are part of (bcrypto among others).

  1. [3:03 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Finding that out was a bit disappointing because I had been specifically asking about that and offering help/support there.

  1. [3:04 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Ironically — have the infrastructure for too.

  1. [3:04 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Anyway —

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  1. @TSBP

Gotchya. Thanks for the insight on the current crop of moderators. I wasn’t clear from the new DAO proposal discussion how new moderators would be selected…if the same current ones would automatically be selected or if there would be nominations and a vote, etc.

[3:08 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Were you looking to be a moderator too? If yes, what do you think about the proposal (and/or the suggested changes)?

  1. [3:10 PM]John | WAGISDev:

And I would encourage you to share those thoughts — on the proposal (for, against, other ideas, etc.).

  1. [3:17 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Afterall…I can’t be the only one looking at this thinking something about it. I think the moderators are holding their thoughts back to be impartial, but they know how many hours they spent doing the work or if its been a burden, etc. They also know how much support they have received from Xandeum or not. While we (community) should not necessarily hear about it, knowing their general feeling about about the compensation being appropriately sized or not would be good to register. My perspective comes from that of time being money and service at critical junctures should be rewarded comensurate to the time and skill needed.

  1. [4:48 PM]TSBP:

No chance I could be a moderator. I read thru everything in here, but I can’t always do it in the most timely of manners to assist others. I have a lot of other stuff that eats my time, so I pop in and out when I get the chance. I wouldn’t be as responsive as this forum requires or deserves. As for the new DAO proposal, I need to think on it further and then I can express some thoughts in that other site where the discussion is posted. My first thought was that they altruistically opened pandora’s box. I had some questions and concerns about what I read and initially thought, so I need to think on it and review the comments already posted (mostly by WAGISDev so far). There is some good analysis and perspective provided there for consideration.

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  1. [7:12 PM]NeoBubba:

John, you are 100% correct for me, and most likely a few other Mod’s when you say we are trying to be impartial. I have looked back at my conversations can will confirm that there are 5 Mods that were asked to volunteer on Oct 29/24. I was asked to moderate for the day. I agreed to at 8:41 in the morning I put the Discord app on my phone. I asked for the Moderator channel to be made so that the 5 of us could communicate in order to share information and protect the community. I accepted this position with the sole intent of helping the community by answering questions that I was able to, pointing folks to the appropriate channels, and to “Drop the Hammer” on the scammers. There was never any discussion of payment or rewards at the time and so I feel that I must be impartial on that particular item. I have always made my position quite public that I am “All-in,” caused by the change last year. I thank you for your input regarding the valuation of a Moderators time. I cannot speak for the others, however I sleep 6 hours/day, and have had Discord on my phone since launch day, and have incorporated Moderating this server into my daily life. I felt this was necessary to help protect our community, and therefore my investment. I have DMOR in some crypto channels and asked the obvious question of how much Mod’s are worth and received various answers, the lowest of which was $35/week. I would encourage everyone to do a little checking themselves before heading to the DAO. Either way, unless asked to leave, I will be here doing what I can. I would like to thank the community for whatever decision it comes up with. With sincerity… My 2 cents

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  1. @NeoBubba

John, you are 100% correct for me, and most likely a few other Mod’s when you say we are trying to be impartial. I have looked back at my conversations can will confirm that there are 5 Mods that were asked to volunteer on Oct 29/24. I was asked to moderate for the day. I agreed to at 8:41 in the morning I put the Discord app on my phone. I asked for the Moderator channel to be made so that the 5 of us could communicate in order to share information and protect the community. I accepted this position with the sole intent of helping the community by answering questions that I was able to, pointing folks to the appropriate channels, and to “Drop the Hammer” on the scammers. There was never any discussion of payment or rewards at the time and so I feel that I must be impartial on that particular item. I have always made my position quite public that I am “All-in,” caused by the change last year. I thank you for your input regarding the valuation of a Moderators time. I cannot speak for the others, however I sleep 6 hours/day, and have had Discord on my phone since launch day, and have incorporated Moderating this server into my daily life. I felt this was necessary to help protect our community, and therefore my investment. I have DMOR in some crypto channels and asked the obvious question of how much Mod’s are worth and received various answers, the lowest of which was $35/week. I would encourage everyone to do a little checking themselves before heading to the DAO. Either way, unless asked to leave, I will be here doing what I can. I would like to thank the community for whatever decision it comes up with. With sincerity… My 2 cents

[8:12 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Thank you for providing us much needed context.

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  1. [8:20 PM]John | WAGISDev:

I did my own research too and in most cases, servers with mods earning $35 a week had a very healthy and active dev team in the forums. For the tokens I deal with and servers I am part of, by and larger you see a dev to mod ratio that is usually better than 1:1. In our server though, that is heavily the opposite. With our mods out numbering the dev team and most activity in the server being generated by the mods, I would lean more toward saying our mods are pulling a heavier burden.

  1. [8:25 PM]John | WAGISDev:

And just as a reminder, I am not a mod (and would never agree to be one for this project), so I literally have zero skin in the game. I am however fully locked into the DAO and believe that you pay for what you get. If we are getting good service, we should recognize that appropriately. The mods agreed to do this at the last minute as the token launched. They protected us. They guided us. They kept positive. They also had to deal with a lot of ambiguity in the product and in policy. They have made it work.

  1. [8:52 PM]Mikl:

Thx @NeoBubba for your thoughts…and i can say that i got the request of helping and supporting as a moderator and i never thought when i agreed about to get any incentives for that…so, first of all i appreciate that the Xandeum team is obviously happy with our support and wants to give something back. all mods are having different roots and history in profession and qualification and i really love that is not about to compare or a competition who gives the best or fastest answers. we are equal and just trying to help out in the first line to safe some valuable time for the team. And we are in different time zones as well and i think we are matching quite good to support each other too. Thx @John | WAGISDev for your supportive thoughts on this topic. I will be fine with any result is coming and as long as the team and the community is fine with me, i will do my best to support.

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  1. @Mikl

Thx @NeoBubba for your thoughts…and i can say that i got the request of helping and supporting as a moderator and i never thought when i agreed about to get any incentives for that…so, first of all i appreciate that the Xandeum team is obviously happy with our support and wants to give something back. all mods are having different roots and history in profession and qualification and i really love that is not about to compare or a competition who gives the best or fastest answers. we are equal and just trying to help out in the first line to safe some valuable time for the team. And we are in different time zones as well and i think we are matching quite good to support each other too. Thx @John | WAGISDev for your supportive thoughts on this topic. I will be fine with any result is coming and as long as the team and the community is fine with me, i will do my best to support.

[8:55 PM]John | WAGISDev:

Thank you for sharing your experience with us too! I am glad to hear the mods are a tight team and support each other.

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January 12, 2025

  1. [1:08 AM]Substance242:

I’ll just note that I find WAGISDEV’s “most activity in the server being generated by the mods” somewhat funny (funny but true). It’s kinda similar to our devnet validators, isn’t it? :slight_smile: Btw, when I see latest posts from Mikl and Zedok in general, I just think to myself that wow, I am not this good or patient. Good job. (edited)

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  1. [1:19 AM]Zedok:

I pretty much share NeoBubba’s and Mikl’s comments. I’ve been involved with this project over the last two and ½ years and gave my two penn’orth on a regular basis. I appreciate the team’s DAO proposal and comments from members of community supporting greater remuneration for moderators. As far as I am concerned, if my small contribution is helpful, I am quite happy to continue doing my part acting as a moderator with or without remuneration.

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  1. @Substance242

I’ll just note that I find WAGISDEV’s “most activity in the server being generated by the mods” somewhat funny (funny but true). It’s kinda similar to our devnet validators, isn’t it? :slight_smile: Btw, when I see latest posts from Mikl and Zedok in general, I just think to myself that wow, I am not this good or patient. Good job. (edited)

[1:53 AM]John | WAGISDev:

LOL! With you on those sentiments.

  1. @Zedok

I pretty much share NeoBubba’s and Mikl’s comments. I’ve been involved with this project over the last two and ½ years and gave my two penn’orth on a regular basis. I appreciate the team’s DAO proposal and comments from members of community supporting greater remuneration for moderators. As far as I am concerned, if my small contribution is helpful, I am quite happy to continue doing my part acting as a moderator with or without remuneration.

[1:59 AM]John | WAGISDev:

Thank you for sharing your position too! Very helpful. The one thing I would like to point out though is whether you would continue to moderate with or without remuneration doesn’t mean your contributions should be under valued. If this project was a non-profit, my proposal would have never seen the light of day. However, this project is not. It is designed from the ground up to be a profit generating endeavor and any contributions toward that effort. Time and materials has a value. Kind of like how a domain name pre launch had a proposed value of 25K XAND and a counter proposal of 1M XAND was laughed at…even though XAND at that time had no value. (edited)

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  1. @John | WAGISDev

Thank you for sharing your position too! Very helpful. The one thing I would like to point out though is whether you would continue to moderate with or without remuneration doesn’t mean your contributions should be under valued. If this project was a non-profit, my proposal would have never seen the light of day. However, this project is not. It is designed from the ground up to be a profit generating endeavor and any contributions toward that effort. Time and materials has a value. Kind of like how a domain name pre launch had a proposed value of 25K XAND and a counter proposal of 1M XAND was laughed at…even though XAND at that time had no value. (edited)

[2:09 AM]Zedok:

I hear you. Presently, I consider my time on Discord as a hobby and I absolutely am not interested in feeling obliged to log on as a moderator in order to justify any compensation I might have been awarded.

  1. @Zedok

I hear you. Presently, I consider my time on Discord as a hobby and I absolutely am not interested in feeling obliged to log on as a moderator in order to justify any compensation I might have been awarded.

[2:09 AM]John | WAGISDev:

I hear you.

  1. [2:09 AM]John | WAGISDev:

Great feedback from the mods!

  1. [2:10 AM]Zedok:

Once again, the meat of discussions is here on Discord.

  1. [2:11 AM]John | WAGISDev:

Yep…it’s a far better medium.

  1. [3:02 AM]Zedok:

Re staked xand on the DAO: can’t seem to find out how many days left for my tokens to unlock.

  1. [6:20 AM]John | WAGISDev:

It’s under your balances. You have to start the process to pull. I’ll get you a screenshot of what it looks like.

  1. [6:20 AM]John | WAGISDev:

Probably in an hour or two.

  1. [6:25 AM]John | WAGISDev:

Re proposal – folks…if what our mods have said showed anything, it shows that they are worth the XAND and then some. So, again, I reiterate that their kind of committed professionalism should be rewarded appropriately and not short changed. They were there when Xandeum needed them the most, had the most to risk, and received no accolades of tangible assets for their support. Let’s correct that and not be cheap about it. And for the record…I believe Xandeum is leaning heavily on these brave volunteers filling a critical role that is currently unfilled.

  1. @Zedok

Re staked xand on the DAO: can’t seem to find out how many days left for my tokens to unlock.

[6:58 AM]Substance242:

Do you mean top right option “My governance power”, link “View”? (edited)

  1. [7:28 AM]John | WAGISDev:

@Zedok — Dang it …you can put screenshots in here.

  1. [7:29 AM]John | WAGISDev:

So…do you see the “Start Unlock” button? (edited)

  1. [7:29 AM]John | WAGISDev:

If you don’t click that and start the process, you do not see a countdown.

  1. [7:29 AM]John | WAGISDev:

If you are a countdown, you will see the withdraw button instead.

  1. [7:29 AM]John | WAGISDev:

app.realms.today/dao/XAND/account/me

  1. [7:31 AM]John | WAGISDev:

BTW — that applies to constant types of lockup. If you are in a Cliff lockup, you will see the time left working its way down.

  1. @John | WAGISDev

@Zedok — Dang it …you can put screenshots in here.

[7:41 AM]Zedok:

I see the Start Unlock button but no countdown whether I press it or not.

  1. [9:40 AM]John | WAGISDev:

If you click start unlock, it should tell you that it’s going to convert to cliff. Once it does that you should start to see a clock.

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Assigned as moderator since the launch Oct 2024. I’ve been involved with this project over the last two and ½ years and gave my two penn’orth on a regular basis. I appreciate the team’s DAO proposal and comments from members of community supporting greater remuneration for moderators. As far as I am concerned, if my small contribution is helpful, I am quite happy to continue doing my part acting as a moderator with or without remuneration.

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John, I staked xand tokens on two occasions. I completed the procedure to unlock one of the staked amount, but still no counter.

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To be clear, I believe the bar should not be if the moderators feel its acceptable or not, or if they would continue to volunteer their free time as the moderators must remain neutral.

This proposal should be equal to the value the moderators provided the organization and the community.

Why both?

The moderators, by there actions and interactions with the community, are filling critical gaps in services that should be provided by Xandeum and yet are not. They are both filling the marketing and community management/maintenance. In some cases, tech support. That has value that should be recognized equal to the contribution.

Fundamentally I agree with the proposal about the need for compensation. Where we disagree is my belief compensation should equal the service provided, especially when it is needed and not at discount rates just because it was volunteer work. I mean, Xandeum did specifically solicit for that support and to the credit of these mods, they stepped up without ever asking what they would get in return. That kind of loyalty and support should be rewarded comensurate to the value it brings and I believe the original proposal fails there.

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I’ll drop you a line.

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I’m not saying that those ChatMods did not do a great job, because they did, but perhaps you should also consider the other top contributors that helped people?

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Sorry, new interface. I will finish my thought:

By doing that, you acknowledge the help that they provided and don’t discourage them from continuing that help, and perhaps encourage others to also start helping out.

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Not a bad idea @mrhcon, but might be a bit hard for this one considering the grant proposed to be updated in the draft of XIP-0002. Perhaps that is something that could be considered later along with other ways of contributing to the project. For example, contributions to code and code reviews, bug bounties (both on the website and in code itself), etc…etc.

I like where your head is though and would love to hear more about your thoughts on it.

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Thanks to all of you for your thoughtful comments here and in the conversation I generated about moderators in the Discord a week or so ago that has been transcribed into here. I can appreciate assigning a value to the moderator services provided and thereby giving compensation. The moderators assist the team and add value to the community. I think the proposal is fine as written. I don’t like the idea of back-compensating with a one-time lump sum for past services performed as has been suggested. Those services were solicited by the team and agreed to by the current Moderators pro bono as an altruistic service to the community. I think there was value in that itself and I appreciate the service to the community by the current moderators. Trying to set a token value to that lump sum would be an entirely different discussion that would likely be messy, time-consuming, and not end well. I think the past is the past, and the whole point of this proposal is to address compensation going forward. Let’s stay focused there. I appreciate that some of you will want to assign today’s token value to the compensation, which may not seem like much. Having faith in the project, my mind can’t help but wander to the future value of the token, the wealth it will generate, and realize that the proposed compensation seems extremely generous (to me). One would have to continually commit a lot of personal funds to buy the number of tokens being offered for compensation. I still have not heard any discussion about how Moderators will be initially selected. I assume it will be the 5 currently in place. I do, however, see a process proposed to add or remove a moderator. On that note, looking at the proposal’s Implementation Plan #2, I am not sure 5 moderators are necessary right now. Noone, even the current moderators, could initially name the 5th moderator when I asked who they are in the Discord chat. I instantly recognized 4 of them when they were named as they have been active and engaged. The 5th has been a ghost as best I can tell, and the Discord seems to have functioned fine with just the 4, so maybe we start with 4 and expand to 5 if needed. Thus, if a different number than 5 is used, that would impact Implementation Plan #3 and the monthly distribution total going forward. Lastly, Implementation Plan #1 - I absolutely believe there should be some modest narrative describing the expectations and evaluation criteria of the moderators, and I won’t agree to this proposal myself until that is done first for community review. I am happy with the performance of the Moderators to date, and I understand they have their own Discord channel to chat on based on their role, which is great, so I trust them to work together to come up with a draft narrative outlining their roles & responsibilities as well as some measures for periodic review and quality control. The Xandeum team can scrub their document to ensure they are good with it. I think the community ought to have a chance to look at it and provide feedback also, but I don’t see it as something that needs a DAO vote. If the team is good with it, then I trust their leadership on the matter. It is just a check and balance to ensure that we all have a good understanding of the expectations of moderators for compensation. By the way, I heard this proposal was going to vote today. Is that still the case? If so, I assume the proposal gets voted on as is, not with any of the suggested modifications from the chat. What I don’t see with this proposal is the start date of compensation. I guess the assumption is that it is immediate and for those 5 moderators already in place. This should have been specified. There should be a subsequent proposal to elect the initial moderators for compensation with a start date. This current proposal just agrees to the concept of compensation. It doesn’t specify who and when. Again, I’d like to see the proposed responsibilities and evaluation criteria.

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Thank you for the well put-together and thoughtful response. The plan was to put the vote out already but it hasn’t happened yet and we are gathering some of the details you mentioned.

As for the 5 current mods…here they are:

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I somewhat agree with the proposal for remuneration of the moderators and the proposed amount, 40.- k XAND per month each, seems reasonable to me, I appreciate their effort and willingness to help. At the same time, I think that for those who run a server, an amount of 40.-k XAND per month would be much more appropriate because they also have high operating expenses, in addition to the effort and time invested.